crimsondynamo90 wrote:batman hands down, superman is a boyscout who holds a code of morals, batman as we've seen would destroy superman easily, there's no comparison in the fight although if superman would grow a pair and wouldn't be such a wuss about killing then we might have him as the winner
BurningDoom said "And we're not talking about a training session or some sissy fight, we're talking with the gloves off". That in my mind implies a situation where both combatants give the fight everything they have. Batman may be the fan favorite, but he's just a guy. A guy with absolutely no superpowers. Superman has superhuman strength, invulnerability and speed that few other characters in his or any universe could hope to match, let alone exceed. Superman could end the fight before Batman even has a chance to react, if the writer remembers to have him actually use his superspeed. That superspeed is a trump card... a trump card that I just don't think Batman can overcome. Of course, convincing many hardcore Batman fans that Batman is capable of losing to -anyone- can be a tougher fight to win than Forbush Man vs the Hulk.
But wait, you say. Bats has a Kryptonite ring! Do you guys realize how small a bit of kryptonite that is? Batman doesn't just hold it up and Superman loses his powers. He holds it up and Superman gradually gets a little weaker... he still has more than enough power to end a fight with the Batman, and as someone else pointed out, if Superman is farther away than a few feet, the radiation from said kryptonite won't even reach him.
But wait, you say. If Batman has time to plan ahead, he can beat anyone! Ahem, while I do feel that he could overcome many a challenging foe if he had time to prep, there are actually many foes that are simply out of his league, regardless of how thoroughly he prepares or boobytraps the battlefield. That aside, let's be serious... how many fights have any of you out there been in? Now how many of those fights did you have time to prepare for in advance? Most fights in real life and in comics are pretty spur of the moment, so I'd say no as far as giving Batman time to prepare for this fight. The topic was "could Batman beat Superman in a fight?", not "could Batman, if allowed time to maximize every nuance and advantage in his favor beat Superman?".
Just my two cents. Take them for what you will.
As a side note, I should point out that I like Batman as a character far more than I like Superman. But I recognize Superman's capabilities as compared to Batman's. In Marvel, I like Spider-Man a lot more than I like the Hulk, but I have to recognize that there's no way that Spidey is going to win against ole jade jaws.