pancho1007 wrote:I simply do not understand what is going on over at the Marvel camp....I mean, are they purposely trying to sink their own ship?? It seems that they have totally lost touch with their comic fans and just stop giving a hoot about making good books
pancho1007 wrote:Also what were they smoking when they decided to make spider-man afro/mexican???? Are they that LAZY and UNTALENTED to create a NEW character that would appeal to millions?Instead someone decided that it would be a fantastic idea of handing down a well known character and changing his race to appease two of their demographics?
Oh and one more thing...why is there an abundance of female mutants??? Has anyone noticed this??It seems that every month theres a new prepubescent girl discovering that she has an x gene...what is this all about?
Firstly Peter was replaced by Miles Morales in the Ultimate universe only, if you don't like Miles, you still have the Amazing and Avenging Spider-Man titles to read about Parker. Second, was it wrong with Miles being half black/half Latino? He appeals to pretty much everyone Peter did (minus racists) and adds a minority ethnicity hero to Marvels ranks, which the super hero community has been sorely lacking. Do you also have a problem with Ultimate Nick Fury being black?
Marvel Comics can't just be a few scantily clad women and a bunch of burly men and creating young heroines is a good way to attract young female readers, like they say "ya gotta hook 'em when they're young".
pancho1007 wrote:Thank you for stating that there are 2 versions of spiderman to choose from captain hindsight..and yes I do have a problem with fury being black, cast aside that I already have a huge problem with the Ultimate Universe anyway... Couldn't they come up wit an original African American Character that would lead S.H.I.E.L.D.? Couldnt they just have made Luke Cage the new director? I mean, why did they just stop there if they wanted to be so bold...They could have given us a Middle-Eastern Cap, or a Female Chinese Thor, or even an East-Indian Iron-Man...If they were so eager to add to the minority ethnicity ranks, why couldnt they just come up with fresh new characters? Is it so much hard to ask for a cool original Mexican hero rather than a hand me down? Are you suggesting that I should thank whoever came up with the Miles Morales idea for trying to represent? Are you saying that an original Mexican character wouldnt do as well?
A few scantily? Well let me educate you on something about the roster of the x-men characters...Rogue,Storm, Emma Frost, Domino, Psylocke, Polaris, Shadow Cat, Jubilee,Dazzler, Blink,Husk, Boomer, Phoenix, Syrin, and Im sure there are others that im forgetting, these are just some of the female charachters living in the x-men universe..now Im all for diversity and all that but how many new male characters are out there?? Dont you believe in a 1:1 ratio???
Oh and as for hooking them while they are young, I sure hope you dont own a windowless van.
When was the last time you even picked up a marvel comic?
Are you for real asking for a list of new characters. Especially with the X-men a team who is facing the fact that in comic universe they arent increasing in numbers? As for that list you gave I pray that isnt a list of scantily clad women cuz next to none of them are what Id consider scantily clad. You wanna talk about scantily clad how bout DCs Starfire or Power Girl or how many characters come with standard issue fishnets. Hell even supergirls middriff and mini skirt. Dont even get me started on the worst offenders over at Image
Well how about you take a history of comics lesson and realize for the majority of times Mexican characters DO NOT sell. Its just the way it is. Asian characters also sell very poorly thats why most asian characters are relagated to team or sidekick roles. Maybe it has something to do with Asian community making up a VERY small portion of the comic cumminuty.
you want marvel to take chances and make racially divorce cast? How bout Dust? One of comics first muslim superheroes that there religion played a prominent role in their character. Rictor, Shatterstar
Comics is a hard business, introducing new heroes is difficult because many readers already have their favorite heroes. That ends up meaning that the new characters don't catch on. While I understand your point that you would rather see completely new original characters than a new one riding on a existing character's legacy, it is that legacy that helps the readers accept and hopefully embrace the new character.
And yes I am saying that on their own, a new original Mexican hero would not sell well. In a group setting where we have time to warm up to this character, it might take off and do astonishing. It is uncanny how that works.
That was a bit tongue in cheek, calling them scantily clad, though I think Emma Frost, Psylocke, Black Queen, Elektra and (sometimes) Storm do fall into the category of fighting crime in their underoos/bathing suits. I know there are, at least in the mutant portion of the MU, plenty of heroines. The problem there is that they don't get much time in the spotlight, so rather than dredging up old characters that for whatever reason weren't popular enough to carry a title, Marvel is intent on making new ones. Remember that bit I mentioned about legacies? This is where bringing in characters that have one can be a bad idea because readers will have preconceived notions about how the character should act.
Before this goes any further, pancho I realize you are new so you might not be familiar with the rules, but flaming needs to be kept to a minimum, i.e. none. That goes for Therapist as well . I might not be a mod but I don't want to see anyone banned. I knew this thread was going to be flame bait, but there is no reason why we can't have a friendly debate on the topic either.
ole jade jaw wrote:"To me the reset seems to be nothing more then a giant money making scheme that they don't care about the fans at all. ... "
Just want to chime in here. My opinion is that DC is comprised of comic fans producing books for fans. While I'm sure we all lost some characters and history we cared for, I believe (as sales numbers support) the relaunch has been extremely successful. The format of the universe thus far also leaves open the option of adding background story as they go. As far as therapist's last statement, between the quality of the stories and artwork, the reader sensitive price point, and their commitment to continue delivering on that quality, I whole-heartedly disagree!! This conclusion is not just mine, but is supported by the fact that a once nothing book like ...say... Aquaman now outsells any single ongoing monthly book over at the "house of 3.99 comics that our fanbase will consume no matter how little effort we put into making".
This has been a fact based statement thus far and has not conveyed the fact that I, personaly feel that most of the drivel Marvel produces these days is poorly drawn, unoriginal shlock designed for 12 year olds. That's just me though, I didn't want the first half of this post to be that biased.
Sorry, just had to get that out
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