Why does everyone hate Marvel Universe so much?
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Why does everyone hate Marvel Universe so much?

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Me, just now getting into the whole action figure scene after like...what...10 or so years out of it? (Not counting Bionicles, of course :P)

But anyway, is the main reason everybody hates them (or doesn't like them, whatever) is because they scaled them down from the Legends? Or is the sculpts bad?

Because they look good to me.
Now, I was wondering, me, as a beginning collector/customizer, should I just get the Universe ones, since I don't' have any Legends? Or what do you think?

Posted by ryuskrew
on Friday, February 26, 2010
User Comments
somebody1 -
Thursday, May 13, 2010
The downside is they aren't that much cheaper.
Cherry Bomb -
Monday, April 26, 2010
I like the marvel universe stuff I prefer small figures cheaper and more covienient .....especailly cuz I try to hide my collecting
50percentJoe -
Thursday, April 22, 2010
Is it just me or did DC figure start looking way better paint and sculpt wise and even start featuring build a figures around the time Marvel figs started to suck?
EwokHunter -
Thursday, April 22, 2010
I got real excited when they announced the new 1:18 scale figures because they fit in so well with many other lines I collect. And I thought it was also great since they would redo all the ML that I missed and are now fetching astounding prices on ebay. Plus 4-inch figures are cheaper.

BUT character selection so far has been terrible (in my opinion), I only collect 1 or 2 per wave. Plus I haven't seen any wave around here since wave 4 back in '09. when you have 300+ Star Wars and 100+ GI Joes, then a shelf for 7 MU seems like a waste of a shelf. I regret starting to collect these. Plus the fact that we lost the B-A-Fs, it was a great incentive.
marvelselect -
Thursday, April 8, 2010
That is insane.
somebody1 -
Wednesday, April 7, 2010
I remember Soundwave for G1 being under 20.00 new, legends size TFs were under 3 as were GI joe figures. You can't blame it all on inflation, there is a ton of greed too. I remember thinking my xmen toybiz figures were expensive back in the 90s. Heck I remember Lego sets for 2.00 (a small vehicle with figure) now that won't even pay the tax on them.
pock63 -
Wednesday, April 7, 2010
Bellieve it or not Marvel Legends were actually $7. when they first came out so they were actually cheaper than Marvel Universe!
marvelselect -
Tuesday, April 6, 2010
Marvel Universe: just one more reason for me to hate Hasbro.
I agree with everything said here. I miss Toy Biz more than ever.
the price:
Dose Hasbro realy think I am going to pay $8 for a 3" figure when back in the day I could get a Marvel Legends with a comics and B-A-F piece for that. I don't think so!
the detail:
Have you seen the new mu goblins? They put them to shame!
Once again I say:
R.I.P. Toy Biz

Why Marvel, why?
Baiji -
Sunday, March 28, 2010
Several Points:

Marvel Legends was a hugely popular line for collectors, with many people having spent a fair bit of cash in to it, getting most of the 'core' characters, so shifting to a new scale was not a desirable option for many.

Additionally when Hasbro took over the licence the general fan-boy internet buzz was that they would ruin the line and shift it to their more normal smaller scale and to all intents and purposes, that is what they did.

Hasbro then proceded to release several of the few remaining consistantly requested characters that the Marvel Legends collectors had been crying out for (Enchantress, Jean Grey, Warpath, Wrecking Crew, etc), but in the Marvel Universe line. Essentially this suggested either: 'Look here are the figures you have been asking for, buy this line' or 'screw you Legends collectors this is the line you get now'.

The smaller scale simply cannot produce the level of detail or articulation that the Marvel Legends line became associated with and often led the way with. So many ML collectors were probably not simply 'I collect Marvel toys' people, this isn't to say those people are wrong, just different set of collectors. Additionally, customising in the smaller scale isn't as popular for the same detail reasons.

Price.

And totally in my own opinion:

The smaller scale look more like 'toys', but Legends, especially if I have just one or two on my desk look more like adult toys or statues, eg. I can get away with 6'' figures to pose and display, but smaller ones make me feel slightly more of a social outcast...

Because of above, I have no interest in collecting vehicles or other playsets, so the smaller scale doesn't benefit me there.

I wasn't a toy collector as an adult prior to ML's, they got me back in to both toys and comics, I don't collect or have any desire to collect any other toy lines.

Being essentially a non-hobbyist, I have no opinion on Hasbro as a company or Toybiz or any others, I just want the great figures that Marvel Legends were. Having said that, it got much harder for many of us non-US (I'm in the UK) collectors to get any of the Hasbro Marvel Legends, with several not getting any release here.
Shinobitron -
Saturday, March 27, 2010
It comes down to price and Quality for me. The price is WAAAY to high for a 3.75" figure and last I heard the price is gonna go up to $10. Secondly is the quality. Out of the few I bought they are very fragile and the limbs either stick and break when you turn them or they just are wobblers in the wind due to super looseness. THe paint apps on the guys are totally crap as well as I went thru 4 ironman figures before I found one that didn't have paint splatter on him.
PEEPEETRON -
Sunday, March 21, 2010
I love mail away stuff and think the handle it well with other lines like Star Wars with Captain Rex, Qui-gon Jin w/ Opie, the current Nadar-vebb and the upcoming retro Boba Fett...Hasbro has just gotten license hungry and has bit off more than they can chew...
scarlet_magpie -
Saturday, March 20, 2010
Well, my guess there would be all that happened was Toybiz's contract was up, and Hasbro offered Marvel more money.

Also, as far as Spiderman 3 goes, you can't take all the blame off of Sam Raimi. Assuming hes sane, theres no way he could have gone into the franchise thinking he wouldn't have to do Venom at some point. Despite current fan backlash against Venom, he remains one of Spidermans most popular villains. Raimi should have swallowed his childish pride, and treated the character with at least a little respect.

Back to the topic though... yeah, MU blows. Bad sculpts, bad articulation, bad paint, difficult scale than most peoples collections, high price... it really just goes on and on.

Toybiz IS Marvel....
somebody1 -
Thursday, March 18, 2010
Hasbro's pulling crap like the mail in thing with that Recon Ravage from teh ROTF line, that deal's been going for months and they have yet to mail them out. Apparenlty unlike in the 80s where you sent the stuff in and got it ASAP they're waiting for it to be over before they send everyone's figures.
Therapist -
Thursday, March 18, 2010
Why does everyone hate Marvel Universe so much? Just cause you like them lol j/k
PEEPEETRON -
Wednesday, March 17, 2010
I have picked up a few and am not impressed...Considering the Hasbro has been doing G.I. Joe and Star Wars toys in this scale for over 25 years one would assume that a Marvel line in the same scale would not seem so undeveloped and trial and error...Case in point Jean Grey head/neck, the head of any maskless Wolverine, crotch joints on IM2 comic series War Machine and Crimson Dynamo...There is also a lot of inconsistancy with quality from figure to figure and it has been over a year since the lines debut and they have yet to take advantage of the new scale by making playsets and vehicles (onlyexception thus far is X-men Orgins)...I'm also still bummed that the Mail away Nick Fury ended up being bait to get more people to get online comic subscriptions and opposed to a true mail away...
hawkeye -
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
I don't think they're bad, they are just different. I have 90% of the TBML and prefer smaller scaled figures. People don't like change.
Green Skin -
Monday, March 8, 2010
Goldenwolf -
Monday, March 8, 2010
Why does everyone hate Marvel Universe so much?
Because They Suck !
Green Skin -
Sunday, March 7, 2010
Gotcha. The third one basically ruined the whole trilogy for me too. Venom could have been super cool, but as soon as they cast Topher Grace it was doomed.
Whiskeytango -
Sunday, March 7, 2010
Everyone knows it was forced on him, thats why I said he knew he'd "have" to do Venom at some point. What I was trying to say was he should have just realized that, and either not made the movie, or put aside his bias and done the best he could with the character. Unfortunately, he chose hidden choice #3: make a truly terrible film that was bad enough it made me question how much I really liked the first two.
Green Skin -
Sunday, March 7, 2010
Well, my guess there would be all that happened was Toybiz's contract was up, and Hasbro offered Marvel more money.

Also, as far as Spiderman 3 goes, you can't take all the blame off of Sam Raimi. Assuming hes sane, theres no way he could have gone into the franchise thinking he wouldn't have to do Venom at some point. Despite current fan backlash against Venom, he remains one of Spidermans most popular villains. Raimi should have swallowed his childish pride, and treated the character with at least a little respect.

Back to the topic though... yeah, MU blows. Bad sculpts, bad articulation, bad paint, difficult scale than most peoples collections, high price... it really just goes on and on.


Actually the way Venom was done was forced on him. He never wanted to do Venom, and when they made him they wouldn't let him do it they way that he wanted. Plus there's also Topher Graces complete lack of acting skills.
Whiskeytango -
Saturday, March 6, 2010
Well, my guess there would be all that happened was Toybiz's contract was up, and Hasbro offered Marvel more money.

Also, as far as Spiderman 3 goes, you can't take all the blame off of Sam Raimi. Assuming hes sane, theres no way he could have gone into the franchise thinking he wouldn't have to do Venom at some point. Despite current fan backlash against Venom, he remains one of Spidermans most popular villains. Raimi should have swallowed his childish pride, and treated the character with at least a little respect.

Back to the topic though... yeah, MU blows. Bad sculpts, bad articulation, bad paint, difficult scale than most peoples collections, high price... it really just goes on and on.
Dagger -
Saturday, March 6, 2010
I don't hate them, but I do think:

1. MU for the most part are Poorly sculpted.
2. Prices for what you get is high.
3. Uniformity issues
4. I just plain enjoy the 6 inch figures better.

That being said there are a few figures I've picked up, but mostly only to go with my Marvel Showdown figures. I really do wish we'd get some of the MU in ML size:Ultron, Enchantress, Wrecking Crew, etc.
El Draxo -
Saturday, March 6, 2010
I hate the small scale and the high price. I don't own too many ML figs (more of a DC guy myself) but the Legends line was supreme anyone doing 6 in figures now took a page from marvel in that respect.

I also HATE AVI ARAD, Everything bad at marvel is his fault (Spider-Man 3) and I know he has something to do with Toy Biz and the license of Marvel toys going to Hasbro, that piece of Eurotrash can burn in hell, have a nice day.
Synthalus -
Friday, March 5, 2010
I like the 6" scale better because they are a lot more detailed and have a sturdy construction.
Unfortunately I missed out on the whole Marvel Legends because I was collecting other series at that time and still had most of the 4.5" Toy Biz X-Men, X-Force, Spider-Man & Iron Man figures.
I ended up selling all those old figures a couple of months ago because I started to look very critical at most of my collections.

Regarding MU figures, I have to agree with Aesthetikz on many points, that the MU are flimsy, wimpy and weak~fragile figures with the lack of detail capabilities, They cost too much for so little, lack of pack-ins and accessories, no BAF, Etc...
What I am mostly disappointed in, is the fact that Hasbro made the MU T-crotches out of very fragile PLASTIC,
while the SAME figure construction as Hasbro's G.I.Joe figures have METAL T-crotches.
Hasbro knows how to make them better, yet they make them very fragile! I find this inexcusable from Hasbro's part.

Aside from that, I actually started to collect the Marvel Universe instead of Marvel Legends because of various reasons;
- MU are easier to find
- MU are "cheaper" (but still expensive at almost $10 for a tiny figure) since ML are mostly on the secondary market only.
- MU are in scale with many other action figures, which is the best possible reason why I got MU instead of ML because it's in the same scale, it has that awesome cool factor.

The figures I have in the 3 3/4" (4" scale:
- Marvel Legends Showdown aka Marvel Superhero Showdown by Toy Biz
- Marvel Universe (Fury Files, Hammer Files, Secret Wars 25th Anniversary) by Hasbro
- X Men Origins Wolverine by Hasbro
- Iron Man 2 (Comic Series & Movie Series) by Hasbro
- DC Universe Infinite Heroes by Mattel
- G.I. Joe, the 25th Anniversary by Hasbro
- Star Wars (modern) by Hasbro
- Star Trek, Galaxy Collection from the new 2009 Movie by Playmates
- Indiana Jones by Hasbro
- Pirates of the Caribbean by Zizzle (pirates and sea creatures!)
- Terminator Salvation by Playmates (because it's always cool to have some endo-skeletons!)
- Chronicles of Narnia
- Microman (various characters from various licenses) by Takara
- DragonBall Z Hybrid Action Figure by Bandai
- Hellboy 2: The Golden Army by Mezco
- Cinema of Fear by Mezco
- WWF Deluxe Build N' Brawl by Jakks Pacific
- Various Japanese Gashapons/Capsule Toys

I am not exclusively collecting the 4" scale figures, on the contrary, I'm collecting many other series ever since the early 80's!
My main series atm is Masters of the Universe Classics.
I still want the main Team of X-Men in the 6" scale Marvel Legends. I started last month with Nightcrawler, Iceman, Psylocke and Longshot.
Thor the Mighty -
Thursday, March 4, 2010
I agree with the earlier statements. I collected several of the ML waves and now Hasbro is releasing characters that were not made in the 6inch scale. Plus I refuse to pay $9.00 for a 3.75 inch figure while not too long ago I paid that amount for a 6inch figure. I also think that Hasbro does not do nearly as good a job on sculpts and paint apps (if any) as Toybiz did. Basically when Hasbro was making ML they were selling a inferior product at higher prices.
somebody1 -
Sunday, February 28, 2010
It's the scale and the price. It's unjustified and you can't do a really nice custom on something that small easily.
pock63 -
Saturday, February 27, 2010
I hate them because they are badly made figures. The proportions and paint jobs are generally poor. I also don't like that they charge as much fore a tiny figure as they used too fore the full sized marvel legends.
Aesthetikz -
Saturday, February 27, 2010
Change was unnecessary, 6" is (to me) the perfect scale for figures, Pissing collectors off by releasing things in the "new scale" that we have been wanting forever in the 6" scale, flimsy, wimpy and weak~fragile little suckers, lack of detail capabilities, the everchanging artic between lines + lack of artic capabilities a larger figure would have, heads/faces usually look like crap, some figures (like bulkier larger ones) just don't look right in this scale, They cost too much for so little, lack of pack-ins and accessories, no BAF, Etc...

There's some good ones out there, It's not all bad~I just don't care for the "New" scale.

Really though, ToyBiz Spoiled and made us Rotten. xD
Necaphiliac -
Friday, February 26, 2010
Most of their faces are poorly sculpted and according to a couple review they loosen up really quickly.
bigassbuzz -
Friday, February 26, 2010
cuz they are fricken WEE.

I remember when McHalo figs first came out.
5" figs really did seem a lot smaller than the 6" we'd grown accustomed to.

That was the beginning of the big shrink-down that began to affect almost all lines.

I think it had to do with that oil-price scam the so-called government has been running on us all for about a decade.
CplHicks -
Friday, February 26, 2010
Why don't people like MU? Because people fear change

I like MU. I'm not a complesiest but I do pick some up and I really enjoy them. They are also easier to get in Canada. All the big box stores carry them while only LCS carry the HML 2 packs. It's also cheaper. A HML 2 pack at a LCS will run you $40 while a MU will run you $10, plus if there is anything wrong with it you can return it to the big box store.
bobtheodd -
Friday, February 26, 2010
From my stand point its all about scale. Most (95%) of my collection is 1/12th scale. I'm not fond of other scales. To ME, 6-8 inch figure are the collecting standard.
leafman343 -
Friday, February 26, 2010
I think there are 2 main reasons for why people don't like them: 1. Marvel Legends lasted for over 20 series, releasing most of the major characters in the Marvel U and plenty more, however Marvel Universe comes along at a smaller scale and starts releasing characters that never got released in ML. While MU has given collectors figures of the more obscure characters that they have been clamoring for, all the new figures are in a different scale than what many collectors already had. For those that aren't completionists this is not a problem but for those who are or people that like uniformity in their collections feel the need to buy figures of characters they already have. Which leads to reason number 2. Price, until recent price hikes and even with the current prices a new Marvel Legends figure off the shelf will run you about $10-$13, but a Marvel Universe figure runs $8-$9. Many people can't stomach paying well over half the price of a ML figure for less than half the amount of plastic.

tl:dr new scale and overpriced figures makes collectors despise Hasbro's decision to kill ML for MU.
DTM -
Friday, February 26, 2010
Me personally, I actually like them, because I already have a good amount of TFAC GI Joes, which are in perfect scale with them, but I haven't picked any up yet. If you're just beginning I think starting out new would help you money wise, HML distribution is horrible and TBML aren't even in the works anymore, so it'd be hard to actually find ones you like without throwing out some money. Though I guess it all depends on you, which ever you like your collection to be composed of.
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