Ok well I agree with most of what you have said truth told technically I agree with all of it. As an artist and artisan myself. However and tpcustomstudio don't take offense at this but on the subject "And as a artist he is entitled to whatever amount he sees fit to charge." you need to add with in reason. And not to sound harsh but if anyone puts a buy in price on an action figure at over $200( personally I believe that is 4 times to much but I understand some people make a living at this) it damn well better be fixing breakfast and doing the chores, or have enough different parts to warrant that tag. As that is just ass-inine; Emphasis on the ass. If it bids higher fine that is the buyers prerogative, and WTF its their money.
And yes I agree this topic is one of the greatest in a while because it represents exactly what debate and art should do. Create conversation, arguments, discussions and opinions. I am also thoroughly enjoying the debate and have been this interested in a conversation since Doc Nigtmare and I had a conversation about his conspiracies theories involving the toasters. LOL And this one is much less insane. LOL
I agree with you 100%. I haven't been saying anything on this one but the reads are great.
tpcustomstudio
I agree with you about the Catholic Church pimping out Jesus and and their very own church goers. It is the only church that I know that will not marry you if you have been married before. . . unless you give them $3000.00 so they can look the other way. My friend fell into this situation and she chose not to even bother getting married in a Catholic Church. Along side of that they deemed her son illegitimate unless certain financial criteria were met.
We should just all switch to Scientology they don't require any money to worship with them
(Please note that the sarcasm level was set REALLY high on the Scientology comment)
This topic is one of the greatest in a while because it represents exactly what art should do. Create conversation, arguements, discussions and opinions.
I totally understand ya Bob, be keep in mind, you don't have to like something to respect it. I hate KISS, but I respect them for all that they have done. So the real issue here I think is $$$$. And as a artist he is entitled to whatever amount he sees fit to charge. It is up to the consumer if they want to pay it. I have seen some thundercats figures with a buy it now price of $400.00 and people paying it. Would I? HELLS NO! But obviously someone else would. This topic is one of the greatest in a while because it represents exactly what art should do. Create conversation, arguements, discussions and opinions.
amen tpcustomstudio I hear you but regardless if the Catholic or any other religion has done it I don't like Christ being Pimped out then again I'd be as upset if it was George Washington or Bhudda, or Ghandi or Martian Luthor King Jr. I just think there is marketing and Pimping and marketing is fine Pimping is a bit over kill and is reserved for those who chose to be pimped like Hollywood and prostitutes.
As a artist, I see this piece as it was meant to be, a shocking work of art, a creation to cause conversations like this. As for him "pimping" Jesus, The catholic religion has been doing that for centuries. I was raised Roman Catholic and after Confirmation my parents gave the choice to determine if I would like to continue with the religion. I chose nay. Too many plot holes and hypocritical ideals much like all religions. Organized religion should be banned. All the problems in our society can be traced to it. Faith however is a better route. Have faith, be a good person and don't follow...lead.
Again I agree bro but I do think his way of selling Christ is a small issue of moral stance and though he does not go to jail for such a thing it is disturbing to me that he is doing this is it wrong yes and no but he is not hurting anyone by it or truly disturbing the social order so what ever. But definitly a controversial issue to say the least. My feelings are mixed as most people seem to be I think he did a good job very tastefully made fig which he deserves admiration for. Also he has the balls to do something like this so he gets points in my book for having the stones to do this. But the price tag concerns me as that seems a bit on the steep side for such a piece unless the money is going to charity in which case it should go for more. But it is how he is pimping it that bothers me most. But again not anything illegal about that just kind of intrusive to my faith and beliefs not enough to anger me but to make me think about the subject and talk about it a little. No harm in that so overall I like it but I have concerns and issues with it so what
Well this is what is great about america, freedom of expression. If this guy wanted to make a zombie Jesus I would ok with it as well. Taste is exactly what it is, everyone has different tastes and I applaud this customizer for having the grapefruits to create such a piece. As customizers we should all applaud him.
Holy macadamia nuts This is a controversial thread. I agree with everyone's comments here oddly. Greg you opinion matters and you are not uptight. This dude is Monopolizing on Christ and I believe if this was to raise money for church charity whatever, or was a commission this would not be an issue. However Mikey makes a valid point so Wow and holy cow I am glad I didn't post my Noah that was commissioned a while back I can just see the reviews.
Hey Mikey PM anytime I would love to chat with you on Theology,Mythology and Folk lore and Philosophy on ocassion.
Listen, personally from a historical point of view let me establish some facts
(whether asnyone will agree but in a strange warped sense this is how it breaks down)
Oh and before I get into this I'm not stating this to defame, insult, mock, ridicule or offend anyones belief.
I just happened to have read an over 100 year old Bible that doesn't read like the new ones, studied theology, Mythology, Philosophy, folklore and some secret doctrines and this is merely what I feel on the topic.
1) EVERYONE has monopolized on Jesus!
2) He was basically killed because he was a threat to our modern economy. Imagine trying to charge someone for bread, water, or wine when someone or their bloodline gives it out for free!
3) Hey it was easy to weed out massacre, torture and convert my blood that were Pagans, Celts or other similarly like barbarians, heathens or such not! (I mean lok what happened to the knights templar and what happened to them out of greed & jealousy)
4) What about Mel Gibson & his Aryian ways!??? The year passion came out was the only modern time that ALL stores were closed for Easter! (including Walmart!)
5) Look what the church did to michael angelo and this has only come out about the Catholic church in the last 6 years about what goes on behind their closed doors. ( ask Roger mahony what he knew)
6) Not to mention all the priests, reverends, etc that drive Mercedes or Beemers. ( here in Los Angeles thats what they get)
7) I can count how many times churches have given back. Not counting that Nazi gold that they were caught with that was stolen from the Jews.
Someone has been selling Jesus figures on Ebay for months now.
So does this both me or affect me... no. Im not saying that maybe you are a better person than me or I secretly wonder at the "control" workings of the church. If you think about it why should a church need money anyway? They are already outside the system.
Anyway I will probably get attacked for this, but this is how it is.
I believe in a creator, I don't look for him or answers in a church and if you have read the bible then you know that he just wants us to live peaceful, fulfilling lives to the best that we can. That includes lack of wars for wealth or oil, or land, without destroying the plants and animals or anything else that he has created. Which we are successfully failing at.
So to fault a cog in the broken, damaged system is impossible without first blaming ourselves for what we already allow to occur on a far more global scale.
I don'tfind it at all in poor taste, the figure itself.
People express heir love for God and Chirst in any way they want to, I just don't like the way he is advertising it.
If it would be a commission, that would be different, but an open auction is not the way to sell this figure.
Yeah man don't apologize for having an opinion or for your initial reaction to it I was a little miffed at the guy too but mostly because the guy is going to capitalize on the concept and likely make a mint off the thing when it's not really that well done.
Like I said guys pimping off the JC's bleeding mortal remains like a used car salesman - that I find reprehensible - not the subject matter
Yeah man don't apologize for having an opinion or for your initial reaction to it I was a little miffed at the guy too but mostly because the guy is going to capitalize on the concept and likely make a mint off the thing when it's not really that well done.
sry about the poor taste comment, Its not where I was going at. I just
fell that people get too sensitive about anything religious
like the chocolate jesus and those comics depicting the Mohammad.
People are going to find this offensive, I am not saying to avoid conflict
he shouldn't have made the custom, I just feel that he should do it for a good reason.
Well here's what I have to say about it for what it's worth...
First off, It's actually not done in poor taste. The figure looks good and the cross is reasonably accurate.
Blood. Mel Gibson did more gore than this customizer did on the figure.
Description. Again, nothing in poor taste is said about the figure or the actual Christ and the depiction is reasonably accurate to many of the medieval and renaissance paintings.
In many respects, this is no different than a crucifix statue done for a cathedral. (Italian made crucifixes actually pin through the hands and feet when securing the corpus to the Crucifix).
Much as it irritates me that a modder would capitalize on that particular theme fact is, I do not think the figure is done in poor taste, or is disrespectful to me or my faith. Makes me sick that he'll get a lot of hype from it and it will probably sell for his ludicris $300 asking price. If he had done it to donate to a church or something, totally different story in my eyes but that's a matter of personal conflict, has nothing to do with a religious conviction. The sculptors in Italy making the crucifixes are making a profit on that too. In fact, Christian items have an average higher profit margin than most consumer electronics.
Now given that it was made with greed in mind, I might not recommend using it at an exorcism....So there's my two silvers on the matter.
oh boy thats not kosher...........
But not like its not been thought of before.
What is everyone else think about it ?
Its kinda in poor taste, but I am biased unfortunately
Its an expression of art, he should be allowed to do what he wants.
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And yes I agree this topic is one of the greatest in a while because it represents exactly what debate and art should do. Create conversation, arguments, discussions and opinions. I am also thoroughly enjoying the debate and have been this interested in a conversation since Doc Nigtmare and I had a conversation about his conspiracies theories involving the toasters. LOL And this one is much less insane. LOL
tpcustomstudio
I agree with you about the Catholic Church pimping out Jesus and and their very own church goers. It is the only church that I know that will not marry you if you have been married before. . . unless you give them $3000.00 so they can look the other way. My friend fell into this situation and she chose not to even bother getting married in a Catholic Church. Along side of that they deemed her son illegitimate unless certain financial criteria were met.
We should just all switch to Scientology they don't require any money to worship with them
(Please note that the sarcasm level was set REALLY high on the Scientology comment)
Hey Mikey PM anytime I would love to chat with you on Theology,Mythology and Folk lore and Philosophy on ocassion.
(whether asnyone will agree but in a strange warped sense this is how it breaks down)
Oh and before I get into this I'm not stating this to defame, insult, mock, ridicule or offend anyones belief.
I just happened to have read an over 100 year old Bible that doesn't read like the new ones, studied theology, Mythology, Philosophy, folklore and some secret doctrines and this is merely what I feel on the topic.
1) EVERYONE has monopolized on Jesus!
2) He was basically killed because he was a threat to our modern economy. Imagine trying to charge someone for bread, water, or wine when someone or their bloodline gives it out for free!
3) Hey it was easy to weed out massacre, torture and convert my blood that were Pagans, Celts or other similarly like barbarians, heathens or such not! (I mean lok what happened to the knights templar and what happened to them out of greed & jealousy)
4) What about Mel Gibson & his Aryian ways!??? The year passion came out was the only modern time that ALL stores were closed for Easter! (including Walmart!)
5) Look what the church did to michael angelo and this has only come out about the Catholic church in the last 6 years about what goes on behind their closed doors. ( ask Roger mahony what he knew)
6) Not to mention all the priests, reverends, etc that drive Mercedes or Beemers. ( here in Los Angeles thats what they get)
7) I can count how many times churches have given back. Not counting that Nazi gold that they were caught with that was stolen from the Jews.
So does this both me or affect me... no. Im not saying that maybe you are a better person than me or I secretly wonder at the "control" workings of the church. If you think about it why should a church need money anyway? They are already outside the system.
Anyway I will probably get attacked for this, but this is how it is.
I believe in a creator, I don't look for him or answers in a church and if you have read the bible then you know that he just wants us to live peaceful, fulfilling lives to the best that we can. That includes lack of wars for wealth or oil, or land, without destroying the plants and animals or anything else that he has created. Which we are successfully failing at.
So to fault a cog in the broken, damaged system is impossible without first blaming ourselves for what we already allow to occur on a far more global scale.
~GREg
People express heir love for God and Chirst in any way they want to, I just don't like the way he is advertising it.
If it would be a commission, that would be different, but an open auction is not the way to sell this figure.
Like I said guys pimping off the JC's bleeding mortal remains like a used car salesman - that I find reprehensible - not the subject matter
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Dedi
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Dedi
ah hell w.e., ALL IS GOoD,
If we wanted to criticize his piece ........ this guy should have dremeled jesus' back
or run a hot knife to show the horrors of the whip.
sweet custom in a more customizer point of view~.
~GReg
not the bloody depiction of jesus - that happend - that would indeed be the result
its just the way the guy touted it like a used car deal or something that makes me rankle
Buddy christ IS hilarious tho
A BOOSTER
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Dedi
I have one of these on my shelf, btw.
fell that people get too sensitive about anything religious
like the chocolate jesus and those comics depicting the Mohammad.
People are going to find this offensive, I am not saying to avoid conflict
he shouldn't have made the custom, I just feel that he should do it for a good reason.
First off, It's actually not done in poor taste. The figure looks good and the cross is reasonably accurate.
Blood. Mel Gibson did more gore than this customizer did on the figure.
Description. Again, nothing in poor taste is said about the figure or the actual Christ and the depiction is reasonably accurate to many of the medieval and renaissance paintings.
In many respects, this is no different than a crucifix statue done for a cathedral. (Italian made crucifixes actually pin through the hands and feet when securing the corpus to the Crucifix).
Much as it irritates me that a modder would capitalize on that particular theme fact is, I do not think the figure is done in poor taste, or is disrespectful to me or my faith. Makes me sick that he'll get a lot of hype from it and it will probably sell for his ludicris $300 asking price. If he had done it to donate to a church or something, totally different story in my eyes but that's a matter of personal conflict, has nothing to do with a religious conviction. The sculptors in Italy making the crucifixes are making a profit on that too. In fact, Christian items have an average higher profit margin than most consumer electronics.
Now given that it was made with greed in mind, I might not recommend using it at an exorcism....So there's my two silvers on the matter.
But not like its not been thought of before.
What is everyone else think about it ?
Its kinda in poor taste, but I am biased unfortunately
Its an expression of art, he should be allowed to do what he wants.