DCU vs HML

[quote="hush"]I don't know how I feel about DC yet. I mean, the figs have great articulation and they are painted well, but they lack variety I guess. I am totally only saying this because I want them to make every Batman villain ever and stop doing anything else. But they are doing a great job of selling everything the right way. Push at Wal Mart and give a little here and there to Target and the others. Walmart is where it's at right now. I always see all the figs, multiples, 4 or 5 of each at a time, and they are always gone within the week. I just think the body styles should change, every once in a while. They have a great mix in all of their series. But HML on the other hand has been failing lately. I think they are stretching the whole character specific series too far. I could see them doing like, an Avengers series, and a FF series, maybe an X men series with a Baf that stretched two collections, but not Hulk. I mean come on. They've already done Planet Hulk and She Hulk twice, Silver Surfer twice, Wolvie a couple times, Human Torch twice. They are doing more obscure characters, but they are doing whole lines of them, and that's what is not selling. No Punisher yet, no Magneto, no Gambit, too many movie figures. With the next twin pack series they are going to be doing Nick Fury again, ??? Wolverine is sooooo played out. Cap is getting there. They are on the right track with the Red Hulk line but they made the mistake of selling them only at Target and for 15 + dollars. They have great sculpts and good poseability, they just need to rethink the marketing and the consistency of new characters being made at a steady pace and the slowing down of the Wolvie and Cap and Iron Man everyline. Sure they sell, but what's next? Tony Stark's bathrobe armor with soap on a rope action? Oh, one more thing. They pay too much attention to the detail on figs they shouldn't and just wipe together some crap for ones that should be masterpieces. The Marvel Girl and Cable box set for instance. Marvel girl was a brand new sculpt, sculpted mask on the face and all. Cable was a reused toybiz sculpt with a poorly sculpted head and a terrible paint job. See what I mean? In the long and short, DC wins in my book. I love Marvel and Spider-man, I love DC and Batman, but DC is able to keep it fresh and continue to surprise with variants and even other toylines, like the DCDirect stuff.

Sorry that was so long, if you actually read it. I am sure someone is going to disagree, but I want that. I want to know what everyone else thinks too.



I agree. What made the toybiz ML interesting was the fact they would release more obscure characters but Hasbro seems to think only the flagship characters are worth making.

dcuc is killing right now

I don't know how I feel about DC yet. I mean, the figs have great articulation and they are painted well, but they lack variety I guess. I am totally only saying this because I want them to make every Batman villain ever and stop doing anything else. But they are doing a great job of selling everything the right way. Push at Wal Mart and give a little here and there to Target and the others. Walmart is where it's at right now. I always see all the figs, multiples, 4 or 5 of each at a time, and they are always gone within the week. I just think the body styles should change, every once in a while. They have a great mix in all of their series. But HML on the other hand has been failing lately. I think they are stretching the whole character specific series too far. I could see them doing like, an Avengers series, and a FF series, maybe an X men series with a Baf that stretched two collections, but not Hulk. I mean come on. They've already done Planet Hulk and She Hulk twice, Silver Surfer twice, Wolvie a couple times, Human Torch twice. They are doing more obscure characters, but they are doing whole lines of them, and that's what is not selling. No Punisher yet, no Magneto, no Gambit, too many movie figures. With the next twin pack series they are going to be doing Nick Fury again, ??? Wolverine is sooooo played out. Cap is getting there. They are on the right track with the Red Hulk line but they made the mistake of selling them only at Target and for 15 + dollars. They have great sculpts and good poseability, they just need to rethink the marketing and the consistency of new characters being made at a steady pace and the slowing down of the Wolvie and Cap and Iron Man everyline. Sure they sell, but what's next? Tony Stark's bathrobe armor with soap on a rope action? Oh, one more thing. They pay too much attention to the detail on figs they shouldn't and just wipe together some crap for ones that should be masterpieces. The Marvel Girl and Cable box set for instance. Marvel girl was a brand new sculpt, sculpted mask on the face and all. Cable was a reused toybiz sculpt with a poorly sculpted head and a terrible paint job. See what I mean? In the long and short, DC wins in my book. I love Marvel and Spider-man, I love DC and Batman, but DC is able to keep it fresh and continue to surprise with variants and even other toylines, like the DCDirect stuff.

Sorry that was so long, if you actually read it. I am sure someone is going to disagree, but I want that. I want to know what everyone else thinks too.

-Hush.

True although Cyborg Superman is a reissuse to appease the fans that couldn't find it when it was a DCSH.

But I think my argument stands as there hasn't been 5 Batmans, 4 Wonder Womans, etc. And Superman is the Iconic super-hero. DCUC still has a lot more variety than ML.



Them's fightin' words!

I have no problem with a Red Superman and an Eradicator, they're important characters from major events. I don't have much of a problem with the MLs either, every new figure is a another chance at a new base figure. The DC bodies are bland, the ML parts make them pop.

DCUC is scheduled to release 6 different versions of superman though (not all are actually Kal El).
wave 2:
superman red
superman blue

wave 5:
eradicator

wave 6:
black regeneration suit superman w/ long hair
superman /w long hair

two-packs
cyborg superman

The DCUC line is way more consistent than ML. ML has always had horrible scale issues from series to series. I think the DCUC design is way better and more aesthetically pleasing. The articulation doesn't detract from the character design and the sculpts are far superior.

My only gripes with DCUC are the female figures need a better "grip" hand design, the ab crunch on he female bodies has very little range so I think it should be abandoned for a better looking torso design and the capes could be made out of a lighter and more flexible rubber or vinyl material - but not cloth.

I'm not a big DC fan but I was a New Gods fan and I'm amazed at how they're getting done in this line. The figures all look so cool that I buy and keep the figures of characters I know nothing about. They managed to make Aquaman look cool! Aquaman!!

DCUC isn't without it's faults, Robin and Sinestro got shrunk in the production process and some of the more recent series have had quite a few QC issues. I'm reading a lot of horror stories about the TRU Exclusive New Gods 2 Pack Lightray figures having all kinds of issues. So they're not all perfect but overall I think they're better designed than the MLs.

Another thing that DCUC has over ML is that they haven't started reusing the same characters every other wave. How many ML / HML waves have there been? 16, 17 or 18? And how many Wolverines did we get? Capt Americas? Iron Man? DCUC is doing a great job of spreading out A List Characters and mixing in fan favorite and obscure characters.

DCUC is totally kicking HML's @$$ right now. However, they are both failing at making it to local store shelves.

I only have a few of the more recent Hasbro ML figures, but so far, I enjoy DCUC way more. The sculpts are a lot stronger, the characters mean more to me, and there's just some intangible quality about them that makes them feel better in your hands.

That said, ML is not a bad line, and I enjoy the figures as well.

I'm a huge Marvel fan, but DCUC has some impressive figures.

Apparently Mattel's recent executives failed to study the company's past history.

In general, I think the DCUC figures are really well done compared to HML. The thing I like most about DCUC is how the Four Horsemen were able to convince Mattel that, once again, an entire figure line can be done with a few basic parts with small variations (different heads, capes, accessories, etc. with the same/similar bodies). Amazing that Mattel lost sight of this given that one of their most successful boys' toylines of all times, the original MotU, was done with this simple premise.

I must admit, I have never been a fan of any DC character except Batman, but the DCUC figs are impressive, reasonably cheap and look brilliant on a shelf!
I am still a little miffed that we miss out on the short packed figs over here in the UK (Wonder Woman, Harley, Penguin, Aquaman etc), but in all honesty, we have always had to buy sought after figs on e bay anyway!