Who would win?

I hate the Martian Manhunter. Ever since WW3 I have been mad at MM. MM beating Black Adam is just freakin absurd!

Its kinda hard to say who would win. Chaos Magic is such an absurd unreliable but overpowered power. If Chaos Magic goes full chaos magic then I don't think many if anyone can beat the Avengers. If it doesn't work right then I gotta give it to the JLA

Wonder woman, Martian Manhunter, & Superman are close in strength meaning sentry may match them as may the hulk but realisticly Thor (& maybe Scarlet Withc) are the only ones who could hurt supes. I kinda feel Green lantern has no place here unless he fights scarlet witch. I think any of the avengers listed could stomp Green Lantern.

In closing. If chaos magic goes all OP like it tends to do then Avengers win. If it doesn't then JLA wins.



new Marvel team : Professor X (leader), Magneto, Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and Gladiator

I hate the Martian Manhunter. Ever since WW3 I have been mad at MM. MM beating Black Adam is just freakin absurd!

Its kinda hard to say who would win. Chaos Magic is such an absurd unreliable but overpowered power. If Chaos Magic goes full chaos magic then I don't think many if anyone can beat the Avengers. If it doesn't work right then I gotta give it to the JLA

Wonder woman, Martian Manhunter, & Superman are close in strength meaning sentry may match them as may the hulk but realisticly Thor (& maybe Scarlet Withc) are the only ones who could hurt supes. I kinda feel Green lantern has no place here unless he fights scarlet witch. I think any of the avengers listed could stomp Green Lantern.

In closing. If chaos magic goes all OP like it tends to do then Avengers win. If it doesn't then JLA wins.

What if you took a top 5 vs top 5 in more of a team battle - give them prep time to learn to work as a unit but not know who they are fighting. You need a designated leader and this all under the assumption that they will be able to work together.

Marvel: Cap (leader), Scarlet Witch, Hulk, Thor, Sentry

vs

DC: Batman (leader), Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern

A. Marvel
B. Marvel

Because of thors hammer! (duh?!)

I saw this a couple years back. Pretty funny.

-Nate-

As much as I love me some Family Guy, I gotta go with Mr Rogers.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/showdown

If you haven't seen this video, my god you -have- to witness the most awesome flash video ever made... seriously, go watch it.

who in turn is taken out by Stewie Griffin. I think it happened once on Family Guy.

NICE One!

Punisher gets taken out in the end by Mr Rogers in a bloodstained sweater.

Punisher Kills Everyone End Of Story
Im Talkin Kryptonite ,adamantium , vibranium, Everyone Gets A Bullett In There A$$ & when He's Done Killing Every One He Takes Some c-4 &
Blows Himself UpToo !

Just My opinion ! I Just liked Reading Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe & Punisher The End I Added The c-4 Blowing Him up part on my own I Just Felt Like Sharing .
Im All For The Toe To Toe ! But the Question Is Who Would Win & I Say The Punisher .
Okay Your Turn Im Out !

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I'm just saying that if characters like Batgirl and Lady Shiva have been shown to be able to defeat Batman (Bruce) in HtH combat, that shows he's not the best human HtH fighter in the DCU. There are folks that are better than him, and you have to wonder if he could truly defeat Big Boss, who -is- the best HtH fighter in his universe. The fight would be spectacular and I can't say for certain that either would win, but to say that Batman would own Big Boss or even that Big Boss would own Batman cheapens the awesomeness of both characters.

I don't know if she did or not, I didn't say a thing about Batgirl. But on a side note, now I can't say Robin 1's first name D*ck Grayson. I seriously didn't mean to write Monkey Grayson. That's all the editor's idea.

-Nate-

Well Batman is not the best HTH fighter in the DCU... I hear Batgirl and a few others are way better.

Still, he's nothing to sneeze at.

I'd say Big Boss, only because Batman is not accustomed to fighting without his gadgets. A slight edge, but one a man as ruthless as Big Boss would be sure to capitalize on.

That's true, because monkey Grayson is Batman and Bruce Wayne is now dead. (That will change, it's just a matter of time) But if we were talking about Bruce Wayne, yeah, Bruce takes it no problem. Bruce has been taught by multiple martial arts masters. He is insanely obsessed about being the best and training. And he has no problem fighting dirty if need be. And he has taken out some of the most impressive metahumans in the DC Universe. He has even beaten Superman! Big Boss has never seen anything like a metahuman, he's only seen Captain America wannabes and modern ninjas.

-Nate-

I thought Batgirl owned Bruce in HtH.

Batman would own Snake!!!!

Well Batman is not the best HTH fighter in the DCU... I hear Batgirl and a few others are way better.

Still, he's nothing to sneeze at.

I'd say Big Boss, only because Batman is not accustomed to fighting without his gadgets. A slight edge, but one a man as ruthless as Big Boss would be sure to capitalize on.

That's true, because Dick Grayson is Batman and Bruce Wayne is now dead. (That will change, it's just a matter of time) But if we were talking about Bruce Wayne, yeah, Bruce takes it no problem. Bruce has been taught by multiple martial arts masters. He is insanely obsessed about being the best and training. And he has no problem fighting dirty if need be. And he has taken out some of the most impressive metahumans in the DC Universe. He has even beaten Superman! Big Boss has never seen anything like a metahuman, he's only seen Captain America wannabes and modern ninjas.

-Nate-

Well Batman is not the best HTH fighter in the DCU... I hear Batgirl and a few others are way better.

Still, he's nothing to sneeze at.

I'd say Big Boss, only because Batman is not accustomed to fighting without his gadgets. A slight edge, but one a man as ruthless as Big Boss would be sure to capitalize on.

What version of Bats? I don't believe that Adam West could take down Big Boss lol maybe Burt Ward vs. Otacon... lol

How about this one?

Naked Snake (my brother and I have both determined that Naked Snake a.k.a. Big Boss in his prime would beat Solid Snake)

Vs.

Batman

This is a bare knuckle fight. No tools, no gadgets, no help from anyone.
My brother says Snake would win but I believe without shadow of a doubt that the Batman would win, hands down.

What do you guys think?

Yes, actually. Even in Marvel vs DC they essentially played the two of them as being the ultimate force short of God Almighty in their respective universes.

The Living Tribunal is God's right hand in the Marvel Universe. He serves the "One Above". Even Death and Eternity defer to the Living Tribunal.

Does the Living Tribunal have these kind of abilities?

-Reality Warping
-Matter Manipulation
-Energy Manipulation
-Energy Projection
-Travels freely through time, space, and dimension
-Can alter his size, mass, and density
-Infinite energy & stamina coming from God himsef
-Instant Teleportation
-Incredible Mystical Abilities
-Flight
-Omniscience (meaning he knows all things at all times)
-Strength is off the charts (he's used planets as weapons against foes before!)
-Has no need or want for sleep, food, water, or air.
-Commands a Host of Angels who themselves are super-naturally powered, immortal beings.

-Nate-

The Living Tribunal is God's right hand in the Marvel Universe. He serves the "One Above". Even Death and Eternity defer to the Living Tribunal.



Well as I said, I would assume some sort of scaling would happen to make things more even. DC is as you said pretty ridiculous with their power levels while Marvel's is more down to Earth (and one of the reasons I prefer Marvel, but that's neither here nor there). Scaling would happen whether the Hulk went to DC (and got stronger) or Superman went to Marvel (and got downgarded to a "mere" Class 100 Strength). Each Universe has different superhero physics, so to speak.

Like I said before, the cosmic pantheons of both universes are comparable. You can't really call one more powerful than the other. We'd have to see it. Come on Marvel and DC, do it! Marvel Versus DC: Cosmic Edition! But seriously, though, I think The Guardians of the Universe tip the cosmic scales in their favor, just because there's so many of them and they're all godly in power. And Spectre is infinitely more poweful than anything I've seen in either Universe, he's God's vengeance for crying out loud, you can't top God when it comes to power.

While the cosmic departments might be comparable, the problem I see is that while Marvel may be more popular, DC's regular characters are in a whole other league in terms of power. Guys like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Flash, and Green Lantern are crazy powerful, and they AREN'T cosmic characters. How are Marvel's regulars like Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, and Wolverine supposed to stand up to that kind of power?

-Nate-

Meh, Deadpool is just a combination between Wolverine and Madcap imo.

As far as cosmic vs cosmic, that's what I asked in my last thread but never got an answer to. Burningdoom, you seem like a good source for DC... can you answer my query?

marvel would win no doubt, with heavy hitters like all the cosmic folks and not to mention galactus, eternity, infinity, and not to mention thanos, it would be a pretty easy fight to win. Not to mention the gods, and then you have folks who are retardedly powerful like deadpool, I mean come on the guy has the I.q. of a 12 year old who is psychotic and has A.D.H.D who would have spent most of his time playing DOOM95 and reading the Anarchist Bible I mean if that's not frightening enough to face I don't know what is

Those are all equal to the likes of Galactus, the Living Tribunal, Chaos and Order, Love and Hate, Death, Eternity, the Inbetweener and the Shaper of Worlds?

I ask because I really don't know. A friend who reads a lot of DC had told me that Marvel's cosmic universe was more powerful than DC's by far.

If they -are- equal, then there's no sense getting them involved in this "Marvel vs DC" thing, since I doubt they'd even get involved in what would essentially be a "whose manhood is bigger" contest anyway. Technically Thanos and Darkseid shouldn't even be involved due to their power, but they're in the pictures, so meh.

You think so, huh? Let's see here:

-Wizard Shazam
-ALL the Guardians of the Universe
-Parallax
-Darkseid
-High-Father
-The Spectre
-Krona
-The Anti-Monitor
-Nekron
-Lord Order
-Lord Chaos
-Sun-Eater
-Ion
-Neron
-Phantom Stranger
-Eclipso
-Takion
-Metron

I think the cosmic entities of each universe are just as comparable.

-Nate-

*cough*LivingTribunal*cough*

But I'm sure you don't want to compare cosmic entities. DC may have more powerful heroes, but Marvel's cosmic universe vastly exceeds DC's.

This was about heroes and villains, not cosmic beings. It's partially why (I'm sure) they had Iron Man facing off against Green Lantern instead of the Silver Surfer (who's power is off the charts since Annihilation).

As for the Beyonder, half his power (and all of Jim Shooter's) was sufficient to cow every cosmic entity in the Marvel Universe... well, until that unfortunate retcon, that is.

Spectre, Parallax, or Anti-Monitor trump them. Only the Beyonder compares in power.

-Nate-

Well, Dr. Manhattan doesn't exist in the regular DC universe, which I feel like is the one in question here. If we're throwing other universes in, I'd say the Cosmic Zombies from Marvel Zombies would win. They're freakin' unstoppable.

currently D.C. owns WATCHMEN so D.C. owns Dr. Manhatan. sadly there is no way to kill or stop Dr. Manhatan and he can cause your body to explode just with a single thought. marvel loses just because of him. if he did not exist marvel wins hands down.

There are a lot of really good comics on this subject, you guys should check them out:

Avengers vs. JLA - The best Marvel/DC crossover event of all time! George Perez, the ultimate team artists and previous regular artist of both Avengers and Justice League of America pencils this one.
Marvel vs. DC - Answered some of those questions fans have always wondered about: Superman vs. Hulk, Batman vs. Captain America, Thor vs. Captain Marvel, Green Lantern vs. Silver Surfer, Wonder Woman vs. Storm, Catwoman vs. Elektra, and others.
Darkseid/Galactus: The Hunger - Great little gem of a comic that was passed by most mainstream fans.
Green Lantern/Silver Surfer: Unholy Alliances - Great team-up book where GL Kyle Rayner & Silver Surfer go up against Cyborg Superman and Thanos.
Spider-Man and Batman - Another great team-up book where Clone Spider-Man and Batman go up against The Joker and Carnage. Beautiful art in this one.

There's also the classics like Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man and Batman & The Incredible Hulk, but only get these if you're into the classics.

-Nate-

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VILLAINS:

Thanos vs Darkseid... This is a really tough one. Both are master planners with an intellect that makes Doom and Richards look like scientific amateurs. Darkseid's Omega beams are impressive, but Thanos' teleportation tech as well as his own resilience and energy manipulation powers help even the playing field out. I give Darkseid the overconfidence flaw, and all Thanos has to do is exploit that to ensure a win. A tough call but I give it to Thanos, who's outsmarted the devil among other impressive feats.

Dr Doom vs Lex Luthor... "Bah. Doom cares not about such things as money. All the money in the world will not save you from Doom's wrath". We're talking about a normal human (very smart, true) vs an individual who's at least as smart garbed in one of the most sophisticated suits of battle armor on the planet and can also wield magic almost as well as Dr Strange. I almost feel sorry for Lex.

Green Goblin vs Joker... Again, we're talking about a normal insane guy dressed like a clown vs a superhuman insane guy armed to the gills with high tech weaponry. Who do you think would win?

Ultron vs Metallo... I've got no clue what Metallo's made of, but it had better be at least half as durable as True Adamantium if Metallo is even going to stand a chance.

Taskmaster vs Deathstroke... If Taskmaster has had time to study Deathstroke's fighting style, he'd win after a hard fought battle. Otherwise, Deathstroke is just too much for him. Taskmaster is after all only human, while Deathstroke is as close to Captain America as DC has.

Sabertooth vs (who I assume is) Gorilla Grod... I don't know anything about Gorilla Grod, but he's going to have to be pretty mean and strong to take on Creed.

Red Skull vs Ras Al Ghul... I honestly don't know enough about Ras to know which way this would go.

Magneto vs (no clue who that is)... Again, no idea.

Punstarr is right.... Thread Fixed ,Its like nothing ever happened lol

Untill Lobo gutted him with his chain and hook and than proceeded to eat his entrails.

respct to u bro fo usin logic

Well, I think what it comes down to is, style nonwithstanding, they're both considered among the top hand to hand combatants in their particular universes. Where the problem for Batman comes in, especially if he has no prep time, is that Cap, while not super human, is certainly above physically what any other human could possibly attain. Also, this is sure to be a long fight, once again giving Cap the advantage, since his body doesn't fatigue like a normal humans would.

I love me some Batman, but I give this fight to Cap.

Is that why many Batman fans think that he could defeat Galactus with one hand tied behind his back?

The fight would be stellar and could honestly go either way depending on Batman's tactics and how long the fight goes on for.



Thanks, man. I try.

hi im trq and im a dc fan meaning I read more dc then marvel but I think cap woodve made the fight fare between them if batman did not hav prep time then thats a problm but isnt cap suposed a super soldier meaning that hulk and superman and thor r way stronger then him so bats may have a chance at beating him.....bats is very stealthy aposed to caps run and throw or shoot style......and bats is a master of meny mariel arts and caps fighting style...to me..is a mix of steet fighting and army style fighting(CQC and grapling).....the fight is basically master ninja VS master solider.

and punstarr I really respet u for going wt the logic side then going on the fan side...

Marvel.


The Punisher would just come out and shoot everybody with a minigun. There. Fight over. The end.

Considering they're from different universes, I was going off of the assumption that Batman would have had zero prep time.

Ahhh, see I told you I didn't know a whole lot about Green Arrow.

About Cap vs Batman: The thing you have to remember about Batman, is that with him there is no such thing as a straight up fight. He's not above a dirty, any means necessary (short of killing) kind of fight. I believe Batman was quoted as saying once that he could defeat anyone, given enough prep time. Whereas with most that would seem like empty vibrato, coming from Batman, you kind of gotta believe it. I mean, the guy has beaten Superman down practically every time they've had fisticuffs. I guess the question would be "how much prep time did Batman have?"

I'm also not sure I'd say that Batman is anymore agile than Cap, cause he has pulled some crazy ass maneuvers before. Where I would say Batman truly comes out on top is gadgets and intelligence.

oh, and Green Arrow definitely has trick arrows just like Hawkeye.

I like Marvel better, but I'll try and analyze as many fights as I can without being biased toward either.

One would think the difference in universal power level would scale... ie in the Marvel Universe Superman would "only" have Class 100 strength. In the DC universe the Hulk would be physically stronger than Superman. Superman's main shtick is his invulnerability, while the Hulk's main shtick is his strength. That said, I don't think the Hulk could get around Supes' superspeed.

Thor vs Superman... Thor's vastly superior fighting skill would help make up for his lack of superspeed, and Class 100+ strikes from Mjolnir would hit Superman like he was a mere human (magical attacks pass right through his invulnerability). After taking one hit like that, Superman would be a fool not to take the fight to where he has the advantage; the sky. Heat vision and lightning strikes would assail them both and the very heavens would tremble. I think it would come down to Thor's resilience (he would get the full benefit of his admittedly lesser invulnerability), Superman's speed and whether Thor's lightning counts as magic. Supes is fast, but I'm not sure he could dodge lightning amidst tornado-force winds. Thor fights to win, and has more battles under his belt than Superman by far.

Namor vs Aquaman... I don't care what happened in Marvel vs DC. Namor is a better fighter and stronger to boot. Plus he's the only Marvel character in this mix that can say he came first before his opponent. Due to the former points (not so much the latter, which was really just tongue in cheek), I give this fight to the Submariner.

Wonder Woman vs She Hulk... WW is nearly Thor level in her fighting skill and is stronger and tougher than She Hulk. Was there ever a doubt? Wonder Woman for the win.

Hawkeye vs Green Arrow... I don't know a whole lot about Green Arrow, but there's no way he's a better archer than Clint. I'd say they are equal in skill, so it's really a matter of equipment. Green Arrow (as far as I know) only uses regular arrows, while Hawkeye uses a variety of regular and high tech arrows that allow him far more adaptability. I give this one to Hawkeye, though it would not be an easy fight. The only chance Green Arrow has is being able to exploit Clint's brashness and force him to make a mistake.

Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna... No contest. A great sorceress vs what equates to a goddess who can reshape reality itself. Wanda takes this in less than a second.

Iron Man vs Green Lantern... Again, no contest. A high tech suit of armor vs the most powerful weapon in the DC universe. A more appropriate fight would have been the old Quasar vs Green Lantern.

Ms Marvel vs Power Girl... Oooh now there's a fight I'd like to see, if only because I'd want to see who rips the other's costume apart first, hehe. In the end I have to give it to Carol, because she has so much more going for her than just Super Strength and Nigh Invulnerability... her energy powers (really just a toned down version of her Binary powers) would give her the decided edge.

Quicksilver vs Flash... Would Pietro's speed scale up to Flash's level in the DC universe? If yes, then it would be a good fight, though I think the Flash has more experience using his speed to his utmost advantage. If no, then QS may as well be standing still. Pietro can run at approximately 600 mph... The Flash can run at the speed of light.

Vision vs Martian Manhunter... It's the battle of the characters with undefined powers! I honestly don't know nearly enough about MM to make a call here.

Falcon vs Hawkman... Hawkman is a better fighter, straight up. I'm not sure if Hawkman has super Strength, but if he does, Falcon is toast in one punch.

Captain America vs Batman... The coolest fight in the whole mix! Despite what others may think, Captain America is physically superior to Batman in every area but agility, and in agility they're equal. Cap is naturally gifted at hand to hand combat and doesn't fatigue. Batman is one of DC's premiere hand to hand fighters. Hand to hand, I think Batman's skill is trumped slightly by Cap's skill and physical superiority (imagine if Bane were as fast as Batman and as good a fighter as Cap). That said, Batman could win if he fought more like a ninja than a warrior... striking and hiding... striking from a distance in surprise, etc. In a straight up hand to hand fight Batman would lose. In the end, whoever won would have to admit that their opponent was one of the toughest fights they've ever had.

I say dc.bcuz there are so many green lanterns good and bad. and different worlds.unless theyre not allowed to fight plus dc has better toys :P like dc universe classics which are my favorite

Meaning a fight that isn't "written", where things such as writer bias or convenient plot devices aren't thrown into the mix.

Took that statement a little tough didn't ya?

I like a few DC main characters but my vote is with Marvel.
As far as who would win, that's hard to say but I would agree with whiskeytango, DC super heroes are written to be more powerful. For instance, I read somewhere the Hulk at his base strength(before getting super pissed) could lift 100 tons, well I also read that Superman can lift 1,000,000 tons.....its a totally different standard.

What the F!%@! We are talking about an actual fight! What else would it be? A fake fight!